anyone here play Magic: the Gathering or Yugioh??

[tetsaru arigashi]

(sucks that Jinzo is banned now that the long awaited Amplifier is out -.-)

uh, dude, check that banned list i posted.  Jinzo's only limited now.  major props for pulling him from a 1st edition pack, i still only have the tin version of him... that'd probably sell for around $50 from an online store, maybe more.  i remember pulling Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8, Cyber Dragon, Armed Dragon LV10, and TWO Mazera DeVilles (from 2 packs i grabbed at once) - it's always an awesome feeling when you find something like that.

but, Amplifier? personally, i don't think it's all that great - besides, it came out WAY back in Ancient Sanctuary, the expansion where secret rares ended and ultimate rares hit the states, so it's not very "long-awaited" anymore.  anyway, sure, you can use your own traps now, but now your Jinzo can die to a Mystical Space Typhoon, especially if that M.S.T. is set first (it IS a Quickplay Spell).  if i recall correctly, if Amplifier is destroyed while it is equipped to Jinzo, then Jinzo goes down with it - just chain M.S.T. while he attacks or something, but not right after Amplifier is played, because the destruction effect will resolve before Amplifier's does (the last card in a chain always resolves first, remember), and Jinzo won't be destroyed by it.  besides, with only 1 Jinzo in your deck, and, let's say 3 Amplifiers just for the hell of it, there's a good chance that you won't pull Jinzo easily (unless you search/Special Summon it somehow other than through Witch of the Black Forest, cuz she's still banned), and if you pull your Amplifiers with no Jinzo out, they're just dead draws - you could set them face-down as bluffs at best.  i guess you could use Iron Blacksmith Kotetsu's flip effect to search for Amplifier if you got Jinzo on the field, but he's more for Warrior-Toolbox decks.  sorry, but that just seems very ineffective to me.  =/

btw, you may or may not know, but Counter Trap cards (the ones with the curved arrow on them) can still negate Jinzo's summoning if they are chained to it because they are of a higher spell speed (level 3) than Jinzo's continuous effect (level 2, i believe), and if you know your chaining rules, which is where most people get confused, if someone chains a certain level spell speed card, you can only respond with one of equal or higher spell speed.  as far as the rules go now, counter trap cards are the only cards that have a spell speed of level 3, which is the highest.  so if you summon Jinzo, watch out for Solemn Judgment, Horn of Heaven, and the recent Forced Back - Seven Tools of the Bandit or another Solemn Judgment would probably be the only things that could save you at that time, and both of those cards require life point payments to activate, regardless of whether or not they resolve properly - you can't get "refunds" for activation costs.

traps can also be chained to Royal Decree, which basically does the same thing as Jinzo.  although it's only a Continuous Trap (level 2), another card, such as Dust Tornado (i THINK Normal Traps are also level 2, i could be wrong), could be chained immediately to its activation.  since the last card in the chain resolves first, Dust Tornado would destroy Royal Decree, and then Royal Decree's effect would resolve...  if it wasn't in the graveyard first.  =/

ok, enough of my raving...  my favorite card, hmm...  probably either D.D. Warrior Lady or Chaos Emperor Dragon: Envoy of the End (yeah, he's still banned... D.D.'s restricted).  D.D. Assailant (also restricted) is cool too - i love the artwork on it.  =D

[importgamer13]

my faves were Inferno Tempest and Destiny Board.

A guy was talking smack to me,but not for long...my Inferno Tempest wiped out his powered up Buster Blader,and i finished him with the Destiny Board.All night long he complained that he 'walked right into the movie combo',and i never even saw the movie! (or much of the tv show for that matter)...my pals had a good laugh about that fight all night long.

[bandit008]

my faves were Inferno Tempest and Destiny Board.

A guy was talking smack to me,but not for long...my Inferno Tempest wiped out his powered up Buster Blader,and i finished him with the Destiny Board.All night long he complained that he 'walked right into the movie combo',and i never even saw the movie! (or much of the tv show for that matter)...my pals had a good laugh about that fight all night long.

lol good one import gamer. yea F.I.N.A.L was awsome to pull off. I played with it for a couple of months untill i saw that duelers were now building decks to counter it ( they startd to add more cards like Mystical space typhon or Dust Tornado ). The only drawback that i saw was that you had to be carefull on when u played Destiny Board. Sometimes you ended misspelling F.I.N.A.L due to continous magics/traps and that ruined your whole game. After i traded my Destiny Board i remember that i moved on to makeing a Dark Necrofear deck. That card just looked so awsome that i had to play it! lol

now....about the god cards... any1 ever had any of them?

I could say that i've had all of them but not all at the same time. At one point i had RA (from the PS2 game). Then when i sold Ra for $40. I got my hands on Obelisk and Slifer. My fav. one out of the 3 is Obelisk. 

[tetsaru arigashi]

now....about the god cards... any1 ever had any of them?

right now, i only have the shonen jump promo of obelisk, and my friend who still plays has the yugioh ani-manga promo of slifer.  at one point i had the xbox promo of ra during a trading session at the local books-a-million store, but i traded it the same day for something, i forgot what exactly... probably a bad idea, lol.

if i ever come up with some mad money, some of my goals as a collector would be to collect all the U.S. versions of blue-eyes white dragon, red-eyes black dragon, and dark magician, and as many foreign versions as i can.  i also want to do the same to get the promo, super-rare, and ultra-rare versions of the god cards.  i've already obtained most of the dragons and magicians through trades alone.  lol, i remember trading with this one kid at the store...  i opened up one of my binders and showed him this:

http://www.geekfag.com/images/509688183blue-eyes%20collection.jpg

turned the page, and this:

http://geekfag.com/images/159531793collection2.jpg

the guy was so amazed, i think he experienced his first orgasm that day, lol...  XD

so, yeah, the first pic is all of my blue-eyes white dragons!  from left to right, then top to bottom, there's the first tin set version, the Forbidden Legacy promo, the second tin set version, the original one from the first set, the Kaiba Evolution deck version, the original Kaiba deck version, the Shonen Jump promo (my personal favorite!), and finally the Power of Chaos: Kaiba PC game promo.  i'm still missing the one from the dark beginnings re-release set, and the promo from the first Yugioh video game.

the other pic, shows my red-eyes' and dark magicians, along with obelisk and the Forbidden Legacy kuriboh promo.  the red-eyes' i have: the first tin set version, the original, Joey deck version, Power of Chaos: Joey promo, Shonen Jump promo, Dark Beginnings Vol. 1 version, and the common Dragon's Roar structure deck version.  the magicians i have:  the first tin set version, the first game promo, Yugi deck version, second tin set version, the original, Yugi Evolution version, Dark Beginnings Vol. 1 version, Spellcaster's Judgment structure deck common version, and my very cool Japanese "red" dark magician!

my faves were Inferno Tempest and Destiny Board.

A guy was talking smack to me,but not for long...my Inferno Tempest wiped out his powered up Buster Blader,and i finished him with the Destiny Board.All night long he complained that he 'walked right into the movie combo',and i never even saw the movie! (or much of the tv show for that matter)...my pals had a good laugh about that fight all night long.

yeah, Destiny Board wouldn't survive in today's metagame, especially with Mobius the Frost Monarch and Sacred Pheonix of Nephthys around.  M.S.T.'s and Dust Tornados are pretty much staples nowadays, too.  as for Inferno Tempest, it would be awesome in a good chaos deck...  too bad it's EXTREMELY situational, plus it doesn't stop the attack either.  fiend decks aren't that bad though - there's Goblin Elite Attack Force, Slate Warrior, Goblin King, Hidden Soldiers, Giant Germ, and Raviel, Lord of Phantasms (one of the new spinoffs of the god cards).  Dark Necrofear would fit in great with those cards.

ah yes, good old "Busted Bladder," lol...  that guy was pretty awesome in the old school days, all my friends ran him if they had him.  he's even got his own tutor card (Emblem of Dragon Destroyer).  not a shabby choice for a warrior deck even nowadays, although Gilford the Legend owns him in the effect department...  i guess he'd be good for the side deck in a warrior-toolbox deck if you were facing someone with a dragon deck.

btw, for those of you who still play the game and are wanting a good deck for today's standards, get the Warrior's Triumph structure deck.  it's got a LOT of good cards, including a lightning vortex (some of em, like dark blade, you might want to take out), and it flows very well.  here's a spoiler list of it:

http://www.pojo.com/yu-gi-oh/PriceGuide/SD5-Starter-Spoiler.htm

now if only all the other creature types had as much support as warriors...

[Qwerty1]

Sorry. Didn't read the thread 'cuase I'm really not into this scene, but I like to table-top paper-and-dice role play. the two are usually found in the same places of ill repute.

[bandit008]

impressive, tetsaru arigashi... how many cards do u need to complete your magician/dragon collection?

ok so we all know that there are some pretty badass looking cards out there that are like impossible to summon due to the game speed, what card(s) you would have liked to use in a duel?

I'd say Gate Guardian, although no special effects, its a cool card in my collection that i would liked to use. Another is Blue Eyes Shining DRagon. 

[tetsaru arigashi]

impressive, tetsaru arigashi... how many cards do u need to complete your magician/dragon collection?

ok so we all know that there are some pretty badass looking cards out there that are like impossible to summon due to the game speed, what card(s) you would have liked to use in a duel?

I'd say Gate Guardian, although no special effects, its a cool card in my collection that i would liked to use. Another is Blue Eyes Shining DRagon. 

there are only a few of each dragon and magician that i'm missing, mainly some of the hard-to-get promos.  and getting all the japanese/foreign versions makes my task all the more difficult.  i could probably eBay em eventually if i ever got enough money, but i'm trying to focus on the U.S. ones for now.  of course, as long as there are newer versions of them that continue to come out, i'll be kept busy trying to collect all of them...  but that's what makes being a collector so interesting - you can't wait to see what new rare stuff is gonna come out, although i admit there are still a lot of shitty cards being made...

Gate Guardian has got to be one of the hardest monsters to summon in the game...  tributing 3 2-tribute monsters at once, only for a beatstick monster?!?  hmm, better bust out the old Ultimate Offering... also, the new Power of the Duelist set came out with a Field Spell called Mausoleum of the Emperor, which allows both players to pay 1000 life points per tribute instead of tributing monsters for a Tribute Summon.  it helped me out a lot during the sealed tournament!

Blue-Eyes Shining Dragon seems a little easier to get out, imo, if you had a deck built around him.  try using Dragon's Mirror or Cyber-Stein to bring out Blue-Eyes Ultimate, and then tribute him for Shining when you get the chance.  Kaiser Sea Horse and Kaibaman can help out in getting your normal Blue-Eyes' out on the field.  and to keep out of trouble, you might want to run the Horus dragons (especially LV8) to guard against spells (you're running dragons anyway), and Jinzo and Royal Decree for traps.  just be sure not to put too many traps in your own deck to keep this from working against you.  and don't forget all the necessary dragon support cards - Lord of D., The Flute of Summoning Dragon, Stamping Destruction, etc.

something i would've liked to use...  that reminds me of this one deck concept i tried to create - bringing out Sorceror of Dark Magic and Horus the Black Flame Dragon LV8 on the field together so that i could negate spells and traps AT WILL, then use their high attack power to own the hell out of just about anything.  bringing out Horus is no problem (just use Level Up!, Level Modulation, or by his effect), but the Sorceror requires 2 tributes which have to be spellcasters, and they BOTH have to be level 6 or higher.  my theory was to use Magical Scientist (of course, he's banned now...) to bring out two Sanwitchs, and tribute them.  but, if that didn't work, i was pretty much screwed...  so the idea fell through.  =/  i'd only consider using the Sorceror in a good Spellcaster deck for now, where Dark Magician and Dark Magician Girl are commonplace.

another card i want to use is the new Chimeratech Overdragon.  check it out...

http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=20888

with a name like that, you know it's gotta be badass, lol.  it's all these new Cyber Dragon and fusion support cards that makes me want to build a kick-ass machine deck, along with the Ancient Gear and VWXYZ cards (see the links below to see what i'm talking about).  man, i need to get another job so i can buy all this shit, lol...

http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=10899
http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=14685
http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=14973
http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=14975
http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=14979
http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=14972
http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=17060
http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=17061
http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=17068
http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=16657
http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=20896
http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=4882
http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=17066

[tetsaru arigashi]

whoa, just found this out - the new banned/restricted list is in now, effective September 1...

http://www.upperdeckentertainment.com/yugioh/en/forb_advanced_new.aspx

the cons:  chaos is dying even more now, with the ban of Chaos Sorceror and Tsukuyomi (well, there goes my new chaos deck, sniffle...  ;_; ), Dark Hole has be re-banned along with Thousand-Eyes Restrict, and now Snatch Steal (another of my favorites) will no longer be usable.  Gravity Bind is now restricted instead of semi-restricted (meaning my Water deck is hurt too, damn...), along with Magician of Faith and a few others.

the pros:  Ring of Destruction is back!  and check this out - Lightning Vortex can be run in THREES now.  all of the Cyber Dragon-related stuff has not been affected (except for maybe Future Fusion), so expect machines to start popping up in the new metagame.  heheh, i KNEW building a machine deck would be a good idea...

overall, i'm disappointed that Konami is trying to kill off the chaos deck-type, as i thought that using Chaos Sorceror instead of the Envoys would be a little more fair, but apparently not...  guess i'll have to get some more Golden Homunculi to make up for it.  the revival of Ring of Destruction was a surprise to me, as that card seems rather overpowered to me, even if it DOES hurt both players.  i guess the reason behind 3 Lightning Vortexes was to implement mass-removal cards that had costs, unlike Dark Hole and Raigeki, to make it a little more fair.  i also thought that Snatch Steal was balanced too in the fact that it gave your opponent life points every turn, but i guess they didn't like fact that tributing the stolen monster on the same turn got around that...  but isn't that the point of using switch-control cards such as that and Change of Heart??  i guess people will be running Brain Controls in three's now too, as well as the unchanged two Creature Swaps for field control.

any thoughts/comments on this new list??

[importgamer13]

I think my friends will be happy they got out of Yugioh...those cards you listed,in your cons section...most of my friends had most or all of those cards in their decks.
They'd freak if they heard those cards got banned.

[tetsaru arigashi]

as long as Konami makes cards that are well-balanced (for example, Lightning Vortex compared to Raigeki), then i guess it's okay.  it's mainly the destruction and control cards that keep getting banned, anyway.  luckily, we've still got stuff like Torrential Tribute, Smashing Ground, and Bottomless Trap Hole to get the job done.

[tetsaru arigashi]

hmm, the link got messed up... now it's showing the old one...  >_>

i guess i'll copy/paste the list as i did when i first found it.  sorry if this takes up a lot of room...

ADVANCED FORMAT LIST EFFECTIVE SEPTEMBER 1st
 

I. Forbidden Cards

You cannot use these cards in your Deck or Side Deck:
BLACK LUSTER SOLDIER - ENVOY OF THE BEGINNING
BUTTERFLY DAGGER - ELMA
CHANGE OF HEART
CHAOS EMPEROR DRAGON - ENVOY OF THE END
CHAOS SORCERER
CYBER JAR
DARK HOLE
DELINQUENT DUO
EXCHANGE OF THE SPIRIT
FIBER JAR
HARPIE'S FEATHER DUSTER
IMPERIAL ORDER
LAST TURN
MAGICAL SCIENTIST
MAKYURA THE DESTRUCTOR
MIRAGE OF NIGHTMARE
MONSTER REBORN
PAINFUL CHOICE
POT OF GREED
RAIGEKI
SINISTER SERPENT
SNATCH STEAL
THE FORCEFUL SENTRY
THOUSAND-EYES RESTRICT
TIME SEAL
TRIBE-INFECTING VIRUS
TSUKUYOMI
WITCH OF THE BLACK FOREST
YATA-GARASU

NEW! - Chaos Sorcerer, Snatch Steal, Thousand-Eyes Restrict, Tsukuyomi


II. Limited Cards

You can ONLY use one of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:
BOOK OF MOON
BREAKER THE MAGICAL WARRIOR
CALL OF THE HAUNTED
CARD DESTRUCTION
CEASEFIRE
CONFISCATION
D. D. ASSAILANT
D. D. WARRIOR LADY
DARK MAGICIAN OF CHAOS
EXODIA THE FORBIDDEN ONE
FUTURE FUSION
GRACEFUL CHARITY
GRAVITY BIND
HEAVY STORM
INJECTION FAIRY LILY
JINZO
LAST WILL
LEFT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
LEFT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
LEVEL LIMIT - AREA B
LIMITER REMOVAL
MAGE POWER
MAGIC CYLINDER
MAGICIAN OF FAITH
MASK OF DARKNESS
METAMORPHOSIS
MIRROR FORCE
MORPHING JAR
MYSTICAL SPACE TYPHOON
NIGHT ASSAILANT
NOBLEMAN OF CROSSOUT
POT OF AVARICE
PREMATURE BURIAL
PROTECTOR OF THE SANCTUARY
RIGHT ARM OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
RIGHT LEG OF THE FORBIDDEN ONE
RING OF DESTRUCTION
SACRED PHOENIX OF NEPHTHYS
SANGAN
SCAPEGOAT
SPIRIT REAPER
SWORDS OF REVEALING LIGHT
TORRENTIAL TRIBUTE
TREEBORN FROG
TWIN-HEADED BEHEMOTH
ULTIMATE OFFERING
UNITED WE STAND

NEW! - Future Fusion, Gravity Bind, Magician of Faith, Nobleman of Crossout, Ring of Destruction, Spirit Reaper, Ultimate Offering


III. Semi-Limited Cards

You can ONLY use two of the following cards in the Deck & Side Deck combined:
APPRENTICE MAGICIAN
CREATURE SWAP
DECK DEVASTATION VIRUS
EXILED FORCE
GIANT TRUNADE
GOOD GOBLIN HOUSEKEEPING
MANTICORE OF DARKNESS
RECKLESS GREED
REINFORCEMENT OF THE ARMY
UPSTART GOBLIN
WALL OF REVEALING LIGHT

NEW! - Exiled Force, Giant Trunade, Reckless Greed, Wall of Revealing Light
NEW! - The following cards are no longer Limited: Drop Off, Emergency Provisions, Lightning Vortex, Reflect Bounder

well, there it is, guys.  cuss and discuss.

[bandit008]

hmm...i noticed the arms/legs of Exodia are in the limited list.... deos this mean that ppl. are back to using exodia? I mean nowadays it would be pointless to try and pull exodia with all the new powerfull cards you can use to stop it. Why bother?

[tetsaru arigashi]

hmm...i noticed the arms/legs of Exodia are in the limited list.... deos this mean that ppl. are back to using exodia? I mean nowadays it would be pointless to try and pull exodia with all the new powerfull cards you can use to stop it. Why bother?

as far as i know, people still use Exodia decks, although probably not competitively.  if you are running one, then i suggest using Backup Soldier and Dark Factory of Mass Production in case your Exodia pieces (except for the head) end up in your graveyard.  Apprentice Magician, Mystic Tomato, and Hidden Soldiers can be used to summon the pieces from your deck, and then you could use Compulsory Evacuation Device (one of my favorite traps =3) to bounce them into your hand.  i'd also suggest lots of card-drawing cards, such as Dekoichi the Battlechanted Locomotive, Dark Mimic, Skelengel, Airknight Parshath, Graceful Charity, and Good Goblin Housekeeping to find your Exodia pieces quickly (having a 40-card deck is also ideal).  it'd also be wise to add in some stall cards, like Messenger of Peace, Gravity Bind, Level Limit - Area B, Waboku, etc.  and if your Exodia pieces STILL wind up in your graveyard, you can use Contract with Exodia to bring out Exodia Necross and unleash hell.  just watch out for remove-from-play stuff... probably another reason why chaos is dying.  in fact, throw in some good negate cards, like Magic Drain, Seven Tools of the Bandit, Solemn Judgment, etc. to keep your opponent from throwing off your game plan, since you're not exactly relying on your monsters to protect you in this kind of deck.

btw, if anyone's not familiar with any of these newer cards i keep mentioning, try going to pojo.com and check out their "Card of the Day" section for Yugioh.  just use Ctrl+F to search for something, and click the links to see some reviews of that card.  you can also check out the spoiler lists in the left margin of the page.

[bandit008]

whats the most annoying card(s) that u ever had to face?

I'd say good ol Yata Garasu and its famous Yata-lock. Man i hated loosing to a 200 attack monster!


          's Yata!

[tetsaru arigashi]

whats the most annoying card(s) that u ever had to face?

I'd say good ol Yata Garasu and its famous Yata-lock. Man i hated loosing to a 200 attack monster!


          's Yata!

for me, probably Stealth Bird...

http://www.ideal808.com/product.asp?ID=14877

this guy is cheap as hell in a good burn/restrictive deck.  simply put a few good stall cards out - Gravity Bind, Level Limit - Area B, Messenger of Peace, etc. - then just keep flipping him up and down - 1000 damage every time.  and with 1700 DEF, he's good at blocking, especially when all your strong monsters can't attack.  >=(

yeah, the Yata-lock sucks...  i managed to actually pull it off very early in a game against my friend.  it pissed him off so bad, lol...  luckily, the banned/restricted list has fixed this cheap strategy, although i fear everyone will be making Cyber End Dragon and/or Chimeratech Overdragon one-turn-kill decks now...  i think Konami should've waited until October so that they could see how people would use these cards, and then ban/restrict them as necessary to keep people from running such cheap decks.

[tetsaru arigashi]

'sup guys.  i've been trying to come up with a new Magic deck to bring to my anime club's meetings (apparently there are some new members who play Magic), but i'm kinda stumped on what type to make.  i'm definitely running blue, and i'll most likely end up running either a blue/green simic deck that utilizes +1/+1 counters and 1/1 creature tokens, or a blue/white azorius deck that uses a lot of control spells.  thing is, i'm missing a lot of critical/rare cards to really make these decks flow well (most notably doubling season for the simic deck).  any of you guys have any suggestions on some good part-blue decks that work well??  i'd prefer they be in standard format, which is currently 9th edition, kamigawa block, ravnica block, and i THINK ice age block, due to the coldsnap release.  note that the kamigawa block will be rotating out of standard format in several weeks when time spiral comes out.  i think 10th edition will be coming out before too long as well - there's been a lot of discussion about it on the Magic website.

[King Zarkon]

well if you really want to make a good token deck its best you go black/green. however if you want to take your opponent by the balls from the get go i'd stick with blue/white. it also depends if you want to keep your deck type 2. if you arent interested in keeping it type 2 i could post some of my sample decks that you could copy.

[LordRyunson]

I play both Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic.

I usually run Black-something decks, while in Yu-Gi-Oh, I run various decks. My best decks are Cyber Blader, Machine, and Dark World monsters. That's my two cents.

[tetsaru arigashi]

well if you really want to make a good token deck its best you go black/green. however if you want to take your opponent by the balls from the get go i'd stick with blue/white. it also depends if you want to keep your deck type 2. if you arent interested in keeping it type 2 i could post some of my sample decks that you could copy.

well, i was hoping to use Doubling Season to work towards both of its effects - counters AND creature tokens.  however, the Simic guild theme focuses mainly on +1/+1 counters through its Graft mechanic - creature tokens like the 1/1 saprolings are more of the Selesnya guild's thing, although both of these guilds are half-green, and the other colors (blue and white), which is the Azorius guild, also utilizes some bird tokens through cards such as Dovescape (which i do not currently have, btw).  i guess basically i'm wanting a deck that works well around Doubling Season (if i ever get 4 copies of it), even if it meaning splashing a few colors here and there (that Vampiric Skeleton card from Guildpact comes to mind).  some of the old Mirrodin block cards would've worked well, but they're no longer part of standard format anymore (i forgot what format Type 2 was exactly)...  eh, i guess for now, a good old blue/white control deck would be my best bet, seeing how i have significantly more blue cards than any other color, and i have some good white cards as well.  heirophant, go ahead and post some decklists if you wish - that's one thing i wanted to utilize in this thread.

I play both Yu-Gi-Oh and Magic.

I usually run Black-something decks, while in Yu-Gi-Oh, I run various decks. My best decks are Cyber Blader, Machine, and Dark World monsters. That's my two cents.

one of my good friends ran a black deck before he quit card games.  i ran a Dimir deck when Ravnica first came out...  it was that huge clunker of a deck that i posted near the beginning of this thread, lol - it had very little synergy going for it, despite some good cards in it.  i'd keep that machine deck going for Yugioh, LordRyunson - it seems like they're going to be the strong ones for the upcoming metagame.  i'll probably end up "decommissioning" my old chaos deck unless i can come up with something to fill the shoes of old Chaos Sorceror and the other big guys that got banned recently.  feel free to post any decklists too - and that goes for everyone else as well.  i'm curious to see the types of decks people run.

[tetsaru arigashi]

ok, here's a list of cards that threw together that i might use for the counters/tokens deck i'm trying to make.  you guys can go to Magic's Gatherer database site - http://ww2.wizards.com/gatherer/index.aspx? - to search for and see the details of each card in case you're not familiar with them.  i'll also try to post some of my blue/white cards later when i get them organized.

• llanowar elves
• plaxmanta
• coiling oracle
• silkwing scout
• puppeteer
• silhana starfletcher
• trygon predator
• aquastrand spider
• cytoplast root-kin
• sporeback troll
• archivist
• giant solifuge
• assault zeppelid
• simic ragworm
• plaxcaster frogling
• vigean hydropod
• skarrgan skybreaker
• borborygmos
• protean hulk
• simic sky swallower
• experiment kraj
• aetherplasm
• helium squirter
• cytospawn shambler
• ulasht, the hate seed
• shielding plax
• simic guildmage
• followed footsteps
• copy enchantment
• priviledged position
• commune with nature
• farseek
• thrive
• savage twister
• congregation at dawn
• chord of calling
• gruul signet
• selesnya signet
• simic growth chamber
• novijen, heart of progress
• selesnya sanctuary
• gruul turf
• skarrg, the rage pits

there are probably some better choices that i have, and i know that there are some cards that i need for this deck that i don't have (keep in mind i collect Yugioh a lot more than i do Magic), but maybe that'll give you guys an idea of what i had in mind.  keep in mind that this a standard format (type 2) deck that i'm trying to make, and lemme hear your suggestions.