The Great Mystery that is "Final Fantasy VII"

[LordRyunson]

Nowadays, the only final fantasy fix I can get is Kingdom Hearts. And I beaten both games (Even though I didn't get all the extra goodies in there...)

[tetsaru arigashi]

Nowadays, the only final fantasy fix I can get is Kingdom Hearts. And I beaten both games (Even though I didn't get all the extra goodies in there...)

Kingdom Hearts was awesome, and the sequel was FRIGGIN' awesome.  i still haven't gotten everything on the second one, mainly because i haven't really had the time to devote to it, with all the synth-hunting you have to do to get the Ultima Weapon and everything.  i loved the alternate forms, and the much-improved gummi ship editor and levels.  one of my friends actually built a ship that looked like the cat from Trigun, lol.  the only thing is, the special ending kinda left me confused on what the third game (if there is one) would be like...

[MMX]

i guess i need to play the other Final Fantasy games sometime (especially 6) just to see how good they are compared to what i HAVE already played...

What have you played?

If your answer does not include an FF < 7 I will smack you and call you a poor uncultured bastid.  Or something like that.
Though I dunno anymore... all the people who started FF'ing at 7, who I always convince to play earlier games, just start complaining and say the earlier games are crap.

They hurt my feelings ;_;
I don't think there ever was an FF pre-7 that I didn't like, even if some of them could get stale at times.  I suddenly got the craving to play FF3 NES; ONION KIDS, HO!!!

[LordRyunson]

I played and beaten the following games.

FF7 on PC, FF4 (FF2 in america), and seen the endings for 9 and 10 respectivably, even though some of my friends did most of the work on 4, it was I who slew Zeromus. Best Victory Ever!

[ROMate]

FF games from 7 on were crappy. It feels recycled. The antagonists/rivals are all the same (dudes who look like chicks and are full of themselves), and the heroes are starting to blend together, too. In the upcoming FF12 I can't even figure out which of the two main protagonists is the chick and which one's the dude.

Kingdom Hearts got real old real fast. KH2 is yaoi bait and set-up for KH3: Milking the Cash Cow. Square needs to stop.

[tetsaru arigashi]

What have you played?

If your answer does not include an FF < 7 I will smack you and call you a poor uncultured bastid.  Or something like that.
Though I dunno anymore... all the people who started FF'ing at 7, who I always convince to play earlier games, just start complaining and say the earlier games are crap.

They hurt my feelings ;_;
I don't think there ever was an FF pre-7 that I didn't like, even if some of them could get stale at times.  I suddenly got the craving to play FF3 NES; ONION KIDS, HO!!!

well, i guess you'll have to smack me and call me a poor uncultured bastard then, because my cousin was the first person to introduce me to the Final Fantasy series, and it just so happened that #7 was the game he was playing when he did that.  i guess you could say it was fate.  =/

and yeah, i am one of those people who don't care that much for old-school games that much (mainly due to poor controls, and i tend to be a control freak), unless you consider Super Nintendo old-school, which i guess it kinda is now.  if there ever were any FF games on SNES, then no, i haven't played them, sorry.

[MMX]

if there ever were any FF games on SNES, then no, i haven't played them, sorry.

Did you just say "if"?

... Holy fuck, I'm actually too shocked to bitchslap you right now.  That somebody doesn't even know where the first six FF's came from.  The first three being on NES, the second three being on SNES.  You mean you don't know anything about pre-7?

Well I guess that doesn't reallys urprise me; almost all FF fans nowadays are like that.  They have no idea of their FF roots, which is I guess why they don't care how FF is going down the drain and Square is milking them for every drop they've got (glad Roommate said it about KH I was afraid everybody here was googoo gaga crazy over KH; it just got old so fast)

But there's no reason for Square to stop.  They're making millions.

And about FF heroes:
The combined might of Cecil, Butz, and Locke (just as an example; let's throwin Sabin too [I refuse to call him Mash, even if it is his real JP name >_>]) could take on every FF protagonist and antagonist from FF7 on.  Cloud and Sephy?  Easy as pie.  Squall?  Don't even get me started.  Zidane is the punk of the bunch, even the others could take him.  Not to mention that tranny that was the boss of 9, whatever his name was.  And Tidus.  Lawl.

Only good things I can say about FF7 and on is that each game somehow actually has one or two, usually a pair, of really cool characters.  It's too bad 'cuz they're mostlys urrounded by boring muck.

Examples:
FF7 Tifa and Vincent (I liked that game's Cid too XD; and Red XIII was okay but even more flakey than Vincent; Barret wins points for cursing a lot)
FF8 Quistis rules.  All blue mages rule, no matter what game they're in.  It could be the worst game of all time, if there's a blue mage in the game, then they're automatically awesome.  Zell was the brawler too so he was good.  Maybe even Irvine.
FF9 Freyja and Vivi.  'Nuff said.
FF10 Lulu and Auron.  Lulu rules U_U  I have a love/hate relationship with Kimahri... he's probably the only blue magician that I don't really like... I blame this on the fact thathis blue magic is even sillier than Quistis's (and so limited; gawd - does he even get White Wind i don't remember)

Edit:  Oh, and Laguna doesn't count.  Because if he did, that would make the characters of FF8 actually be balanced so that there would actually be more good characters than shitty retarded characters.  And that would just be weird for a post-FF6 FF game.  Plus he's laguna so really counting him would just be unfair either way.  I mean he's Laguna.  C'mon.

[LordRyunson]

And about FF heroes:
The combined might of Cecil, Butz, and Locke (just as an example; let's throwin Sabin too [I refuse to call him Mash, even if it is his real JP name >_>]) could take on every FF protagonist and antagonist from FF7 on.  Cloud and Sephy?  Easy as pie.  Squall?  Don't even get me started.  Zidane is the punk of the bunch, even the others could take him.  Not to mention that tranny that was the boss of 9, whatever his name was.  And Tidus.  Lawl.

The boss of 9 was either Kuja, the Sephiroth/Zidane hybrid, or Necron the Cosmic Being that nuked your HP down and counters with Grand Cross.

Oh, and in case you guys are wondering, Final Fantasy Visions is like one of those impro stories that require alot of imagination. Sadly, I might not have the inspiration to work on it right now.

[Ellendesu]

Yeah really, even if you totally despise FF7, you have to admit it had the best Cid ever. He just had that whole grumpy old bastard thing going on.

And I will add an additional WTF?! to tetsaru for not knowing about pre-7 Final Fantasy. I mean, God, I play Final Fantasy 7 and up, but I know that those previous to it were much much better games.

[LordRyunson]

Yes, and let's not forget the FFIV classic..... YOU SPOONY BARD!! Tellah was the man in that one! Too bad he had to die honorably, rather than Aeris's demise at the hands of One Winged Bastard.

[Ellendesu]

Tellah died honourably indeed, but it was his own passion for hatred and revenge that ended him...pity really.

You know what FF death was the worst presented though? Galuf in FFV. It pretty much went like this.

"OH NO GALUF IS DEAD"

"i'm his daughter"

"K lets go"

Yeeeeah.

[MMX]

Tellah died honourably indeed, but it was his own passion for hatred and revenge that ended him...pity really.

You know what FF death was the worst presented though? Galuf in FFV. It pretty much went like this.

"OH NO GALUF IS DEAD"

"i'm his daughter"

"K lets go"

Yeeeeah.

Dude.

I fucking know.
And I loved Galuf.  He was always my party's blue Mage =(

FFV was probably the worst SNES FF... at least storywise.  God for some reason I loved playing that game... but the whole story presentation was just like "WTFUX".  Though Faris was badass.  Yeah, no Final Fantasy since has ever had a cross-dressing tomboy female pirate captain who is secretly the sister of some royal princess or whatever.  Faris was cool.

[Kiinan Yamasu]

Every FF game is crazy fun to me. Sure, I started officially with FF7, but I know that the true classics are the three before that.

Cecil rocks, Locke rocks, Terra rocks, Shadow rocks, Tellah MEGAROCKS, and of course, Galuf fucking OWNS.

[scarab]

I don't think I've read a single post about how cool Wakka is and how is hair is cool and about how he's awesomeness and cool and awesome at the same time.  *SARCASM*

[tetsaru arigashi]

Did you just say "if"?

... Holy fuck, I'm actually too shocked to bitchslap you right now.  That somebody doesn't even know where the first six FF's came from.  The first three being on NES, the second three being on SNES.  You mean you don't know anything about pre-7?

well, i was well aware that there was at least one FF game on NES (partially due to all the friggin' flash movies on Newgrounds and everywhere else), and i guess i should've known that there were several SNES games too, seeing how i have a buttload of Nintendo roms that i never play.  i think the main reason why i was confused about this matter is because i've heard that some of the Japanese FF games that were the same as the American releases were given different numbers or something, and i never really figured that out, so i wasn't sure if all the Japanese SNES roms counted or not.  all i know is that 1 & 2, 4, and Tactics have been re-released for GBA, and a re-release of 3 is supposed to coming out as well, whether those are the Japanese numbers or the American ones.  sorry for my old-school stupidity - remember, i grew up on Sonic...  but i guess that's still no excuse.  =/

btw, i beat Dirge of Cerberus last night, it wasn't that bad of an ending...  the storyline really surprised me when i was about to fight Wiess (read the spoiler tag for my understanding of it)!

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Hojo managed to stay alive!  somehow he uploaded his own data to the city's network once he discovered that his plan of using Jenova cells on himself didn't work out so well, and then took over Wiess's body (who was supposed to become Omega) by manipulating the Lifestream into thinking the world was about to end, something like that - it's kinda complicated...  play the damn game and find out for yourself!  >_<;

oh yeah, seeing how i beat that game...  is it me, or has there been a recurring theme of relatively easy final boss fights in FF games recently??  Kingdom Hearts 2 was an exception (i guess it counts as FF), but it's something i've noticed.  FF X-2 was the worst about it...  the enemies/bosses on that game were always either really easy, or incredibly tough - there wasn't really a happy medium (never did finish the Cloister of Trials path under Bevelle...).  not to mention i hated what they did to the FFX storyline with that sequel, along with the whole chapter system...  >_<;

[LordRyunson]

I played some of X, and it was too complicated. The sphere grid, Blitzball, who could forget some traversities?

[scarab]

Apparently in XII, the game plays itself.  You just WATCH the game play with itself.

So, like Penny Arcade said...the game is masturbating.

With bunny ear girls.

[MMX]

I don't think I've read a single post about how cool Wakka is and how is hair is cool and about how he's awesomeness and cool and awesome at the same time.  *SARCASM*

For a split second I was about to bitchslap you.

Though a friend of mine loves Wakka.  I just tell myself it's because he loves Blitzball so much the love kind of leaks onto Wakka (LIKE A VAGINA WHAOMGZ!?) 'cuz let's face it.... the whole reason you ever play FFX is so you can play Blitzball.  Or at least it's the only reason I played >_>

sphere grid was indeed dumb.  But FFX had Lulu, Auron, and Blitzball.  That made it sort of worth my time.  And then FFX-2 came around and no fucking Lulu OR Auron (well obviously no Auron but wtf) and I forget what happened to Blitzball but it was probably gayped up along with everything else (lol Yuna uses guns)

I mean there was a period of time just before FFX-2 was released that I literally thought the game was some practical joke by Square (kind of making fun of itself, having made ELEVEN FINAL FANTASIES and all) and then it was acutally released >_>
God knows where the story in X-2 went to, but it wasn't in attendance during the actual game.

FFX-2 just shows that Japanese people can be just as desperate and stupid as Americans.  It would almost make me proud of my country if I didn't hate it so much right now.

Ryunson - what's a traversity?

tetsaru - here's the deal.  The NA released FF games were: FF1, FF4, and FF6.  They were called in NA, in respective order, FF1, FF2, and FF3.  FF2, FF3, and FF5 were considered "too hard" by Square for American gamers.  Also, the FF4 released in NA was a horrifically toned down version of the game; sometimes known as "easytype" nowadays.  Also, a lot of crap was changed and removed from the games when they released the games in NA.

And then Square leaves Nintendo forever and starts naming their FF's what they actually were.

Also, unlike teh rest of the world, I'm not too hard on Ted Woolsey for his translations.  Considering the times, I thought he did a pretty good (with some exceptions *cough*Tonic*cough* >_>)

scarab - that reminds me, I haven't read PA in like, ages.

[LordRyunson]

I don't see any word for traversity in the dictionary, but here's one for travesty:

–noun 1. a literary or artistic burlesque of a serious work or subject, characterized by grotesque or ludicrous incongruity of style, treatment, or subject matter. 
2. a literary or artistic composition so inferior in quality as to be merely a grotesque imitation of its model. 
3. any grotesque or debased likeness or imitation: a travesty of justice. 
–verb (used with object) 4. to make a travesty on; turn (a serious work or subject) to ridicule by burlesquing. 
5. to imitate grotesquely or absurdly. 


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[Origin: 1655–65; < F travesti, ptp. of travestir to disguise < It travestire, equiv. to tra- (< L trāns- trans-) + vestire to clothe < L vestīre; see vest]


—Synonyms 1. See burlesque. 3. mockery, perversion, sham, distortion.

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There! That's the word I'm looking for!

[bfg00]

Since when has anyone ever let a word not exisiting stop them from using it?