Author Topic: Star Wars vs Star Trek (Read 63609 times)

R-9 · « **Reply #40 on:** June 19, 2006, 05:49:33 pm »

Quote from: importgamer13 on June 19, 2006, 05:10:25 pm

So far,i haven't seen Star Trek Nemesis all the way through (I've seen bits and peices),so i can't really comment on that one...I did think Generations and Insurrection were okay, but my fave of TNG movies was First Contact.I thought the Borg were pretty interesting enemies,even on TNG's tv episodes.

While I do like the borg, I felt that First Contact undermined them. The idea of the Borg having anything resembling a leader goes against the grain of everything that had been encounterd up to that point in ST:NG.

JG · « **Reply #41 on:** June 19, 2006, 06:18:16 pm »

First Contact is arguably the worst of all ST movies, and clearly the worse of the TNG series. What goes on in the movie doesn't agree very much with established ST canon, even stuff established in TNG shows and material. Until First Contact stunk it up, Zefrem Cochrane was just the top scientist of many working on warp engines, with a big support staff and nearly unlimited budget under direction of the United Nations of Earth. Once Humans got warp technology figured out, they became the first explorers of the charter federation worlds, not Vulcans. Humans travel to Alpha Centauri and meet those folk, then travel to meet the Tellerites I think before they meet the Vulcans. First Contact laid the groundwork for the backwards history that develops in Enterprise, which in turn undermines what happens in all "future" ST series. It's an unending loop of inconsistencies - and alot of it started with First Contact.

importgamer13 · « **Reply #42 on:** June 19, 2006, 07:49:39 pm »

Quote from: JG00 on June 19, 2006, 06:18:16 pm

First Contact is arguably the worst of all ST movies, and clearly the worse of the TNG series. What goes on in the movie doesn't agree very much with established ST canon, even stuff established in TNG shows and material. Until First Contact stunk it up, Zefrem Cochrane was just the top scientist of many working on warp engines, with a big support staff and nearly unlimited budget under direction of the United Nations of Earth. Once Humans got warp technology figured out, they became the first explorers of the charter federation worlds, not Vulcans. Humans travel to Alpha Centauri and meet those folk, then travel to meet the Tellerites I think before they meet the Vulcans. First Contact laid the groundwork for the backwards history that develops in Enterprise, which in turn undermines what happens in all "future" ST series. It's an unending loop of inconsistencies - and alot of it started with First Contact.

ahh...i didn't know that.I really didn't watch Enterprise much,and i've seen some of TNG on tv,but i only have the movies on DVD,so i wasn't aware of how much First Contact messed things up.

R-9 · « **Reply #43 on:** June 19, 2006, 07:57:16 pm »

Well, one thing that ST fans can agree on is that Enterprise entirely ignored the established history of the Federation.

bfg00 · « **Reply #44 on:** June 20, 2006, 05:23:52 pm »

That is most definitely true. Still nothing will beat ST 2 for a ST movie.

LordRyunson · « **Reply #45 on:** June 21, 2006, 11:37:36 am »

I haven't seen wrath of Kahn yet, but I did see all of the Star Wars movies. There are a few comical moments in Star Wars that will eventually go to All Your Base school and graduate. Go figure.

importgamer13 · « **Reply #46 on:** June 21, 2006, 12:38:42 pm »

Quote from: bfg00 on June 20, 2006, 05:23:52 pm

That is most definitely true. Still nothing will beat ST 2 for a ST movie.

last night i was watching the DVD...i've got the 2 disc Wrath of Kahn Direction's Edition,which has more scenes with Scotty and his nephew,plus some other scenes have more dialogue to them,such as when McCoy gives Kirk the glasses and some new lines on Space Lab Regula One.It's a very nice DVD set,and the interviews with Ricardo Montalban,William Shatner,etc., were pretty cool.

bfg00 · « **Reply #47 on:** June 21, 2006, 05:07:10 pm »

Nice. I should get my hands on that.

R-9 · « **Reply #48 on:** June 21, 2006, 05:29:50 pm »

Quote from: bfg00 on June 21, 2006, 05:07:10 pm

Nice. I should get my hands on that.

Seconded on Wrath of Khan. Not only one of the best of Star Trek, but probably one of the best space-based movies out there period.

bfg00 · « **Reply #49 on:** June 22, 2006, 05:49:33 pm »

True that. Most of the modern stuff is all scifi horror which I hate. I prefer the scifi action and scifi with a sense of wonder..

frost · « **Reply #50 on:** July 29, 2006, 12:37:29 am »

I`d be with Star Wars. Just the fact I`ve always prefered some sort of Swordsman weapon. I`m a fan of Star Trek to, but I don`t see any future for it since Gene past away.

bfg00 · « **Reply #51 on:** August 01, 2006, 07:14:53 pm »

Yeah, Trek has been on a major decline. They could revamp it, but they would need to get some good writers and a good idea for a show.

importgamer13 · « **Reply #52 on:** August 01, 2006, 07:25:12 pm »

Quote from: bfg00 on August 01, 2006, 07:14:53 pm

Yeah, Trek has been on a major decline. They could revamp it, but they would need to get some good writers and a good idea for a show.

My fave Treks were the original,and Next Gen,though i did like what i saw of DS9 and Voyager.

bfg00 · « **Reply #53 on:** August 01, 2006, 07:32:59 pm »

The original and TNG were great. DS9 and Voyager were good up to a point.

TheS3rpent · « **Reply #54 on:** August 05, 2006, 04:52:48 pm »

Star Wars

R-9 · « **Reply #55 on:** August 18, 2006, 07:44:27 pm »

Quote from: bfg00 on August 01, 2006, 07:14:53 pm

Yeah, Trek has been on a major decline. They could revamp it, but they would need to get some good writers and a good idea for a show.

Well, there's good news on that front. Rick Berman, one of the architects of the architects of Enterprise has been fired from Paramount.

As far as combat vessels, my favorite sci-fi universe for those would have to be Honor Harrington.

bfg00 · « **Reply #56 on:** August 19, 2006, 01:05:27 pm »

Now that one I haven't heard of. What's it like?

R-9 · « **Reply #57 on:** August 19, 2006, 01:26:09 pm »

It's a book series by David Weber. While the books mostly tend to follow a similar structure illustrated in Fig. 1, they're still quite enjoyable.

Fig. 1:

HH= Honor Harrington, main character of the main novels. The best way to describe her to someone who hasn't read the books would be as a She-Kirk.
Bad Guys= Her opponents, political, military, and personal.

HH: Well, we're on station. We need to solve the political crap that's going on.
Bad Guys: Argh, we've been politicked!
HH: Now that's over with, it's time for space battles.
Bad Guys(2): Argh, we've been space battled!

It took me a little while to wrap my head around Honorverse space combat, so I'll give the short form.

Honorverse ships are basically invulnerable from the top and bottom, due to their drive system. This also makes the sides more difficult to attack, so the front and rear are the most vulnerable points on a ship. Missile defense has evolved to the point where it's a practical impossibility to get a direct, contact hit with a missile, so they use "laserhead" missiles, which explode into a burst of bomb-pumped X-ray lasers with 10,000 kilometer radius. Typical launch ranges are about 4-6 million kilometers. Close Range (300-400,000 km) Is fought with lightspeed energy weapons, like lasers and grasers.

There are no fighters, as single-seat craft can't carry weapons strong enough to penetrate warship armor, and the Point-defense lasers could swat them easy, anyway. The smallest warship masses about 15,000 metric tons and has a crew of 20, and the biggest are about 8.5 Million metric tons (Greater than three times the mass of a Borg cube). The books are pretty good reads.

bfg00 · « **Reply #58 on:** August 20, 2006, 02:08:24 pm »

Cool, I may have to check that out.

Mediocrity · « **Reply #59 on:** August 20, 2006, 02:34:58 pm »

Star Trek has better actors (speaking mostly of Next Generation and Deep Space 9 here). Star Wars has more interesting combat. Star Trek is intentionally funny at times (Q and the Ferengi are made of comedy and gold) and has moments where it doesn't take itself seriously.

I like them both. I guess Star Wars wins for being more consistent in its quality, though. The original Star Trek wasn't very good (Kirk fucked everything that moved and the technology at the time wasn't good enough for sci-fi). Next Generation was only good when Riker had a beard and Wesley Crusher wasn't around. Deep Space Nine was good most of the time, though some of the Dominion Wars stuff was really sluggish. I didn't like Voyager or Enterprise. For Star Wars, though, I liked the original trilogy, and the three prequels were mostly good except for Hayden Christensen. I call him "Can't Actakin Skywalker". I am a horrible human being.

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