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Title: MGS
Post by: Ninjaman on July 07, 2006, 11:16:25 pm
Post anything you want about Metal Gear Solid here.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: importgamer13 on July 07, 2006, 11:26:00 pm
Fave game: MGS- Twin Snakes (Gamecube)
Fave CG scene: Solidus Snake's intro on the bridge (MGS 2)
Fave Heroes: Solid Snake,Meryl Silverberg,Otacon
Fave Villians: Revolver Ocelot,Solidus Snake,The Boss

Metal Gear games i have:
Metal Gear Acid (PSP)
Metal Gear Solid- Twin Snakes (Gamecube)
Metal Gear Solid 2- Substance (PS2)
Metal Gear Solid 3- Subsistance (PS2) (Also has MSX Metal Gear 1 and 2)
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: ROMate on July 08, 2006, 01:25:13 am
Thread moved. Please remember, all video game discussion belongs here, in Revenge of the D-Pad.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Ninjaman on July 08, 2006, 01:48:17 am
Just submited a MGS related article. Here's hoping its hyperguy.net approved.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Snorlax.RAYZR on July 08, 2006, 10:34:03 am
It's kinda short.

Try not to use BB for his name, a lot of people haven't played the game.

But good job for mentionning Metal Gear.

Anyone see the MPO trailer yet?
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: ROMate on July 08, 2006, 12:27:20 pm
Nope. The only game I could play with any amount of skill was MGS1. I don't know why, but I just can't play the 2nd and 3rd ones. I love watching them though. I once spent 2 days watching Hyperguy play MGS3.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: ragnabot on July 08, 2006, 02:40:50 pm
MGS is the reason why I liked military fiction games / stories. My favorite would be MGS1 for the PSX, maybe because It's the only console I owned. I wish I own a GC and MGS Twin Snakes right now.

Fox Hound is way cooler and more bad ass than Dead Cell and Cobra Unit combined... for me that is.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Snorlax.RAYZR on July 08, 2006, 10:08:36 pm
Because of The Cobras, there's Foxhound.
Because of Big Boss, there's Solid Snake.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: MMX on July 10, 2006, 04:42:13 am
MG > MGS

Nah, that's not true.  First one was pretty sweet.   Hokay, MG 1 & 2 & MGS > *
Anyone else think Hideo Kojima is running out of steam?  The Twin Snakes version was pretty good -- except when they included the first person perspective they forgot to give enemy AI more three dimensional awareness too; makes it too easy to pop them from above =/
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: BIG-K14 on July 10, 2006, 10:38:00 pm
Metal Gear Solid games are awesome I loved the first one and the 2nd one was good execpt they put raiden naked which I hated but 3 made up for it.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Snorlax.RAYZR on July 10, 2006, 11:06:52 pm
The Twin Snakes was directed by Quentin Tarantino fan Ryutei Kitamura.

Explains the limb-chopping. Kojima was only the Producer. He didn't waste his time with TTS (which was in my opinion a piece of garbage remake that didn't have any real bonuses or different gameplay styles), cause at the time he was working on MGS3.

Kojima's tired of making MGS games, he wanted to quit after MGS2, but fans made him make a third, and now a fourth. The Old Snake idea is basically symbolism. Kojima's gonna kill Snake off, so "they could both get the rest they deserve".

In short, the fans made him old.

Raiden rocked. Don't diss Raiden. He's as good as Snake. Maybe you just find him annoying because of the codec calls. In that case, be mad at Rose.







Anyone have Subsistence? Ret's batto!
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Kiinan Yamasu on July 11, 2006, 12:17:57 am
Raiden's cool. And the new trailer proves he is fucking BADASS. I mean, did you SEE the ownage he doled out on those robots?

Naked Snake was also badass. Anyone who can take a bullet wound to the nuts, pry out the bullet, stitch it up and keep walking HAS to be awesome.

As for Solid Snake... He's pretty cool too, but he's less cool than Rai and Naked. Though I do admit it's pretty fucking awesome how he still has the touch after he's turned old and crusty. And has that skin condition. (Don't ask.)

That's right, Naked Snake and Raiden > Solid Snake.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: importgamer13 on July 11, 2006, 12:36:46 am
Quote from: Sorrowful on July 10, 2006, 11:06:52 pm
The Twin Snakes was directed by Quentin Tarantino fan Ryutei Kitamura.

Explains the limb-chopping. Kojima was only the Producer. He didn't waste his time with TTS (which was in my opinion a piece of garbage remake that didn't have any real bonuses or different gameplay styles), cause at the time he was working on MGS3.

I actually prefer Twin Snakes over the original,but that's just me...some of my fave video games are remakes/upgrades of older games.Such as....

River City Ransom EX (GBA) (New enemies,bosses,team options,weapons,etc.)
Rockman Mega World (Import Genesis) (new graphics,new levels and bosses)
Resident Evil (Gamecube) (Massive upgrade,new boss,enemies,weapons)
MGS- Twin Snakes (Gamecube) (Big upgrade,new dialogue,better graphics,etc.)
PSO Plus (Gamecube) (4 more quests,Ep2.Challenge Mode,more enemies,weapons,etc.)
DOA Ultimate (Xbox) (mostly the upgrades to DOA 2)
Akumajo Dracula X-Nocturne in the moonlight (Import Saturn) (More areas,weapons,etc.)
Megaman X3 (Gamecube Megaman X Collection version) (Anime scenes,new music)
Megaman Powered Up (PSP) (Big upgrade,new levels,bosses,play as Wily robots,etc.)
Megaman Maverick Hunter X (PSP) (Big upgrade,anime scenes,play as Vile,anime movie)
Super Mario Allstars (SNES) (graphics and music upgrade,Japan's SMB 2 finally!)

I like to see games 'evolve' by being remade/upgraded,and i didn't think Twin Snakes was a 'peice of garbage remake' at all.We'll just have to disagree.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Ellendesu on July 11, 2006, 09:52:50 am
Jesus, how can you even say that Raiden is better than Solid Snake?!

Raiden was good yeah, but Solid Snake is just a total fuckin' badass, like his daddy. Raiden is a child of the digital age and VR training, no field experience.

Okay, my favourites are as follows.

Hero- Solid Snake (Can't beat the original)
Villian- Big Boss (Because fallen heroes are always the best)
FOXHOUND Member- Revolver Ocelot (He was cool, always)
COBRA- The Sorrow (We see eye to bleeding eye on a few things)
Cutscene- In MGS1/MGSTS, when Solid Snake steps off that elevator stripping off his diving gear, and the Metal Gear Solid logo flashes up after all the credits pop up and everything, and you've got the dialogue going on, and when I first saw it I was like. "DUDE"
Weapon of Choice-
MGS1- Silenced SOCOM
MGS2- Tranquiliser Pistol
MSG3- Tranquiliser Pistol/Knife
Best Codec Conversation- Callling Signt from inside the Box in MGS3. Trust me. Just do it.

And Twin Snakes was great! Don't be knockin' on my boy Tarantino 'neither!  :bigtran



Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Kiinan Yamasu on July 11, 2006, 01:43:00 pm
Goddammit, Bill, did you not read the part about the MGS4 trailer?! RAIDEN HAS SURPASSED SOLID SNAKE NOW. Raiden as an uber-ninja = BADASSER THAN SOLID SNAKE
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: MMX on July 11, 2006, 07:02:42 pm
Quote from: ZeroVirus on July 11, 2006, 12:17:57 am
That's right, Naked Snake and Raiden > Solid Snake.

Your death wish has been heard, and will soon be granted.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Kiinan Yamasu on July 11, 2006, 07:30:01 pm
Okay, anyone who couldn't tell I was joking needs to be smacked upside the head.

My REAL opinion: Naked Snake > Solid Snake > Raiden.

Because despite what I may have said before that made Snake seem worse... yeah, that really makes him better.

Let's face it, we all know I would not put Snake below Rai.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: ROMate on July 11, 2006, 07:40:43 pm
Raiden had potential, but he was too bogged down with Rose and all the heavy emphasis on his VR crap.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Kiinan Yamasu on July 11, 2006, 08:11:02 pm
Yups. Thankfully, no sign of Rose in the new trailer. Maybe some of that potential will shine through here.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: MMX on July 12, 2006, 09:47:30 pm
Quote from: ZeroVirus on July 11, 2006, 07:30:01 pm
My REAL opinion: Naked Snake > Solid Snake > Raiden.

Your death wish has been heard. U_U

Okay so I've just got issues with MGS2 and 3..... *kicks Konami for releasing Subistence and not giving him a free copy for purchasing Snake Eater*
Okay, that's not the actual reason.  The whole... naked snake thing... ruins Big Boss... The whole Big Boss... theme... is just ruined.
Plus, Solid Snake > * so there U_U  I would have accepted Solid Snake > Liquid Snake > * as a potential answer but unfortunately you did not and thus you lose $500 now pick another category i mean wuht?
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: importgamer13 on July 12, 2006, 11:50:12 pm
Quote from: Bang Doll on July 12, 2006, 09:47:30 pm
Your death wish has been heard. U_U

Okay so I've just got issues with MGS2 and 3..... *kicks Konami for releasing Subistence and not giving him a free copy for purchasing Snake Eater*
Okay, that's not the actual reason.  The whole... naked snake thing... ruins Big Boss... The whole Big Boss... theme... is just ruined.
Plus, Solid Snake > * so there U_U  I would have accepted Solid Snake > Liquid Snake > * as a potential answer but unfortunately you did not and thus you lose $500 now pick another category i mean wuht?

SPOILER ALERT!


Spoiler (click to show/hide)
.I didn't mind MGS3S at all.I enjoyed it,but i enjoyed MGS- Twin Snakes and MGS2S more.

Plus,MGS3 Subsistance inclduing the REAL Metal Gear 1 and 2 was a nice touch.I rescued Grey Fox in MG1,but still looking for that darn bomb blast suit thing...lol
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: ROMate on July 12, 2006, 11:52:15 pm
Don't forget them spoiler tags, kiddies. =)
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Snorlax.RAYZR on July 13, 2006, 02:12:05 am
A quick theory about MGS4's story. They aren't spoilers, but just watch out.


They mentionned they'd explain Vamp's immortality. Supposedly, Dead Cell's actually a project to bring dead people back to life. That's actually the second phase of a bigger project.

Phase 1: Gray Fox. The whole point is to revive a dead person and fit them in a suit that would grant them amazing abilities. Fox in that exoskeleton made him able to react to things much faster, and move faster and deal stronger blows.

Phase 2: Dead Cell reanimation. Fox was a mindless zombie, Vamp had his memories. Focusing on the psychology and the mind instead of the body.

Final Phase [Phase 3]: Putting both together. Raiden in MGS4. In the suit, with the memories. (Supposedly, Raiden dies in the battlefield. Blown up by a mine a la Fox)


So who's project is it and what's it for?

It's something the Patriots thought up. What's it for? The ultimate soldier, Big Boss. Koji said BB's corpse will play a crucial role to the story. I figure the whole plot is to resurrect him or something. I read this "what I think MGS4 will be like" thread and basically, there was this really good post with a lot of clues that showed how Meryl could be a Patriot. Some dude mentionned having access to the script, and there's only one thing I need to mention that bugs me.

Supposedly, at the end, the "phone call sequence" after the credits is actually a clip this time, of Meryl dialing a number in a public phone.

525-458-5356

Go dial that on your phone, associate the number with a letter. What does that give?

LAL-ILU-LELO

aka La-Li-Lu-Le-Lo.

Either that guy really does know stuff, or he just has no life and spent how many weeks thinking up theories like that Dead Cell reanimation stuff and that phone number.


It -was- pretty cool though. Haha. Can't wait.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: importgamer13 on July 13, 2006, 10:50:13 am
Quote from: HGsIndestruc.Roommate on July 12, 2006, 11:52:15 pm
Don't forget them spoiler tags, kiddies. =)
sorry about that...lol...i don't know how to program in that 'hover to show' thing,so that's why i'd always type something like 'SPOILER ALERT'...sorry...lol
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: ROMate on July 13, 2006, 02:19:41 pm
Same as any other tags, but write the word "spoilers" in the brackets.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: MMX on July 13, 2006, 02:50:57 pm
Quote from: importgamer13 on July 12, 2006, 11:50:12 pm
SPOILER ALERT!


Spoiler (click to show/hide)
.I didn't mind MGS3S at all.I enjoyed it,but i enjoyed MGS- Twin Snakes and MGS2S more.

Plus,MGS3 Subsistance inclduing the REAL Metal Gear 1 and 2 was a nice touch.I rescued Grey Fox in MG1,but still looking for that darn bomb blast suit thing...lol

Yeah well... not so much the name... the whole soddy... sodnessness.  Naked's a big fat baby.  C'mon now.  And I hate retconning a whole new character after nowhere with the incredibly original name "Boss"
I hated Boss the most because she was the only character in the game, during the game, that I actually liked.  Yet she was just conveniently made up for that one game only.

And was it really that big of a sekret that naked was OMGYOUKNOWWHO?
I also think it was kind of annoying that they made naked look nigh-EXACTLY like Solid.  wtfux.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: ROMate on July 13, 2006, 03:47:42 pm
Clones tend to be identical to the originals.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: importgamer13 on July 13, 2006, 05:37:49 pm
Quote from: HGsIndestruc.Roommate on July 13, 2006, 03:47:42 pm
Clones tend to be identical to the originals.
Yeah,there may be some slight differences,such as Liquid's hair color(which could have been dyed),plus i think one of the games said Liquid had a slightly different skin tone. Other than those differences,identical.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: MMX on July 14, 2006, 03:06:56 pm
The thing is, Naked looks IDENTICAL to Solid.  But both Liquid and Solidus have noted differences between the original.  And previously, Solid was not unique in any special way... now they're giving him some divinity that he doesn't need U_U  Solid kick ass either way.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: importgamer13 on July 14, 2006, 05:49:23 pm
Quote from: Bang Doll on July 14, 2006, 03:06:56 pm
The thing is, Naked looks IDENTICAL to Solid.  But both Liquid and Solidus have noted differences between the original.  And previously, Solid was not unique in any special way... now they're giving him some divinity that he doesn't need U_U  Solid kick ass either way.
well,Naked back then is(I think?)around the age Snake is at the beginning of MGS1/Twin Snakes?Not sure,but they were both young at that point and may have looked similar because of that.I'm not familiar with how exact the timelines are,so i may be wrong.

Liquid obviously looks different....When we see Solidus,he looks older,so we never saw him when he was younger.I'm almost wondering if indeed all 3 clones were 'born' at the same time,or if Solidus came first,then Liquid and Solid.Either that,or maybe,for some defect,Solidus was aging faster than Solid or Liquid.

But,those are just thoughts...
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Hyperguy on July 14, 2006, 06:32:27 pm
Quote from: importgamer13 on July 13, 2006, 05:37:49 pm
Yeah,there may be some slight differences,such as Liquid's hair color(which could have been dyed),plus i think one of the games said Liquid had a slightly different skin tone. Other than those differences,identical.
Quote from: Bang Doll on July 14, 2006, 03:06:56 pm
The thing is, Naked looks IDENTICAL to Solid.  But both Liquid and Solidus have noted differences between the original.  And previously, Solid was not unique in any special way... now they're giving him some divinity that he doesn't need U_U  Solid kick ass either way.
The reason why Solid and Liquid look different is because their genes were tampered with.  Liquid got all of Naked Snake's dominant genes and Solid Snake got all of his recessive ones.  However, as MGS1 shows us, genes aren't necessarily a deciding factor in how well a soldier performs.  But, that would explain why Liquid snake has pale skin and hair.  For whatever reason the genes that cause those traits are superior according to the Les Infantiles Terribles project.

Were their genes not tampered with, Solid and Liquid would look identical.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: MMX on July 14, 2006, 07:40:44 pm
Quote from: Hyperguy on July 14, 2006, 06:32:27 pm
The reason why Solid and Liquid look different is because their genes were tampered with.  Liquid got all of Naked Snake's dominant genes and Solid Snake got all of his recessive ones.  However, as MGS1 shows us, genes aren't necessarily a deciding factor in how well a soldier performs.  But, that would explain why Liquid snake has pale skin and hair.  For whatever reason the genes that cause those traits are superior according to the Les Infantiles Terribles project.

Were their genes not tampered with, Solid and Liquid would look identical.

Aye, that would explain the Liquid thing.  And I guess import is right about Solidus.  I forgot that that may not be what Solidus is "supposed" to look like.  Thought he just came out with grey hair and crap XD
Well, it's not like Hideo is always consistent.

IT'S JUST TOO GODDAMN CONVENIENT, GODDAMNIT!
and/or I haven't played original MGS in way too long so I've forgotten half of it, whatev foo'.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Snorlax.RAYZR on July 14, 2006, 11:41:56 pm
Solidus was made the same time Liquid and Solid were.

Liquid: Dominant
Solid: Recessive
Solidus: A perfect balance between the two, the closest thing to Big Boss.

The reason why he looks older is because "they" didn't play too much with his genes. He's pretty much an "exact" replica of Big Boss... which would make him age faster. Get it?

And whoever mentionned Rose -- you'll most likely see or at least hear from her in MGS4. She also has a role in the story. I mean.. who else was left trying to figure out how many Roses you spoke to in the game at the end of MGS2? You had the GW version and the real one, aye?

Big Boss actually wasn't meant to look like Solid. It's just, Kojima had Shinkawa draw BB as someone who resembled Snake so the players could kinda feel familiar with the character. There's a ton of other stuff the "BB = Solid in looks" could mean as well.

Anyhoo, I'm glad we won't be seeing any "Liquidus" or some shit like that. It would add another game or two to explain why he showed up, and it would give a "Mario/Wario//Luigi/Waluigi" feel to it. *shudder*

Metal Gear Solid Strikers. omfg.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Snorlax.RAYZR on July 14, 2006, 11:43:11 pm
Double post.


Raiden says:
mY t3rN t3W p3rTek j0o sNAcK LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!111111one
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Hyperguy on July 14, 2006, 11:56:37 pm
If Snake dies in the next game maybe we'll see a Raiden game next.  In any case I've got the feeling that Kojima's starting to get sick of making Metal Gear games.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Snorlax.RAYZR on July 15, 2006, 12:24:13 am
Yeah, he actually wanted his team to make MGS3, but they needed his help for it. He "sent them a message" in 3 by having added The Boss to the story. The whole... "I've taught you everything" thing, but they still didn't get it.

That's why for 4, Kojima's gonna kill Snake off. That way there's no way they can make another Metal Gear Solid game. The only possible SOLID game's Portable Ops, perhaps a sequel to that. Then there's AC!D, which isn't directed by Kojima at all, so it shouldn't bother him.

A Raiden spin off sounds fun, but what will the story be like?
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Hyperguy on July 15, 2006, 01:05:20 am
Raiden fights a legion of Metal Gears for 10 levels.  His weapons are a sword and acrobatics.  In the sequel he gets to fight Dante from Devil May Cry in a bishie battle.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: MMX on July 15, 2006, 03:03:05 am
Quote from: Hyperguy on July 14, 2006, 11:56:37 pm
If Snake dies in the next game maybe we'll see a Raiden game next.

That's not even funny.  Wasn't MGS2 enough?

Quote from: Hyperguy on July 14, 2006, 11:56:37 pm
In any case I've got the feeling that Kojima's starting to get sick of making Metal Gear games.

Yeah, err, he "started" getting sick way back in MGS2 =P
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Snorlax.RAYZR on July 15, 2006, 06:13:03 pm
Quote from: Hyperguy on July 15, 2006, 01:05:20 am
His weapons are a sword and acrobatics.


GO CAPOEIRA!
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Ninjaman on July 15, 2006, 06:20:25 pm
Just got Acid (the game not the drug). Think its pretty neat. Found some codes that gave me japanese supermodel
 cards O_o.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: importgamer13 on July 16, 2006, 08:35:09 am
Quote from: Ninjaman on July 15, 2006, 06:20:25 pm
Just got Acid (the game not the drug). Think its pretty neat. Found some codes that gave me japanese supermodel
 cards O_o.
lol....i still need to get MGA 2 yet...
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: MMX on July 16, 2006, 03:36:36 pm
Quote from: Sorrowful on July 15, 2006, 06:13:03 pm

GO CAPOEIRA!

Since when was that Raiden's style?_?
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: ROMate on July 16, 2006, 04:15:47 pm
It's not. Hyperguy's post and Sorrowful's post are both jokes. They are not true. They were not written to be taken seriously.
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: Snorlax.RAYZR on July 17, 2006, 09:53:18 am
Actually, he does use Capoeira at one point at the end of the 15-minute trailer(I'm just saying he uses it -- I'm not saying it's his style). It's not too obvious, he doesn't ginga(the moving stance) or au(cartwheel and the variants) or whatever, but he does an esquiva (where he sweeps his leg to the side so he can get up) and a one handed macaco(one handed backhand spring).

** I just watched it, he also does a flic-flac, an aerial and a b kick. Those aren't only capoeira moves(they also use them in other martial arts) but that macaco alone is enough to say that it's what he's using.


...Then you have that spinning kick move. I never knew the name.**

Here, I'll post a link.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=sklto4QOukQ&search=Metal%20Gear%20Solid%204%20Raiden

It starts at [1:17]

Title: Re: MGS
Post by: MMX on July 17, 2006, 11:03:33 pm
Quote from: HGsIndestruc.Roommate on July 16, 2006, 04:15:47 pm
It's not. Hyperguy's post and Sorrowful's post are both jokes. They are not true. They were not written to be taken seriously.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.  Are you calling me ugly?
Title: Re: MGS
Post by: ROMate on July 17, 2006, 11:07:19 pm
No.